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don't know who else goes at this point unless it's obama himself. it's not like the white house is replete with people. make jack lou. i think there is a lot to be said for the white house and their position is going to be able to go through with tax cuts. you know, the middle-class tax cut's going to go through. the tax increases on the rich is going to go through. >> the president has the leverage. the gop accusing the white house of failing to put forward the specifics. are democrats saying we told you what to expect farce revenues, now tell us what you want. >> i think the democrats are really at this point just trying to play this game of chicken. i've just come from capitol hill just now. there was a press conference with harry reid and senator murray, senator schumer, senator durbin. i think what they're trying to do, this is a very high stakes game of chicken. they're trying to have the other side blink first and put out a detailed proposal they can then pick apart without having to do that first themselves. >> meanwhile we have republican congressman tom cole, one of th
that the elections are over, it is time for president obama and the white house to get alan home. no matter how they have to do it, no matter who they have to do it with, it could take several -- not to give up. they have to find the right people to get together and negotiate. what they negotiate, it's fine with me. they just need to bring alan home and we're really advocating strongly president obama get himself involved in this to get him home. >> judy gross, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >> and who's going to blink first in the fiscal cliff negotiations? our friday political package up next. first, the first dog is getting into the holiday spirit. the white house released video of bo making an inspection of this year's holiday decoration while the toy rep ply caf -- replica of boy stopped him in his tracks. ride to mouth fun-town. but it's not like everyone is going to break into a karaoke jam session. ♪ this will literally probably never happen. [ male announcer ] it's that time of year again. medicare open enrollment. time to compare plans and costs. you don't have to make chan
obama, the white house, congressional democrats, want to go over the fiscal cliff because they believe that it is more politically advantageous for them to do so. is that a sentiment you agree with or not? >> i believe that the president and the democrats see a political victory at the bottom of the fiscal cliff. i see financial problems for our country at the bottom of the fiscal cliff with unemployment over 9%, and another recession. i think -- i want to find a solution working with people on both sides of the aisle but when you have howard dean, the former chairman of the democratic national committee, you have patty murray, who ran the democratic senatorial committee encouraging going over the cliff i think it's irresponsible. i think we ought to have the president sitting down with john boehner, finding solutions that can, one, pass the house, and, two, be signed by the president, and i believe if you find that solution, it will pass the senate. >> senator john barrasso, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> next on "andrea mitchell reports" -- as the house heads home, are dem
. romney comes to washington but republicans still don't understand why he lost. the white house released this photo of governor romney and president obama in the oval office. this photo taken the day after their big lunch. through the door, you can see the private dining room where they shared a lunch of turkey chili and southwestern grilled salad and right behind the second-place finisher is the presidential race. you can see the desk that belonged to president kennedy. it's the desk he thought he'd be sitting at. the white house says the lunch was friendly. mr. romney congratulated the president on his victory and wished him well over the next four years. they also talked about america's leadership in the world and promised to stay in touch. before romney went to the white house, he met up for breakfast with his old pal paul ryan. >> mr. romney, how was your meeting with mr. romney today? was it nice to see him? >> good friend. great to be with him. >> always great to see paul ryan. >> sure. always great to see him. and chat about the irony of their getting only 47% of the vote. how fi
by seven. obama here. dauphin county, pennsylvania. juneau county, wisconsin. another very white area obama flips it by seven points. so why did we see this shift in the political middle and should this be the real source of concern for republicans going forward? right now let's bring in the bhaen hind patchwork nation. he is at the desk. it was about the middle. there was this mythology that somehow mitt romney won the middle because he won independents. >> right. >> it is completely clear it goes not the case. >> i think that is why it is important to go into these communities we used because of the way i like to think of the middle is not just independents because it is self-described. i like talking about places because places are what they are. they can't describe themselves. the numbers describe them to you. these places are moderate places. >> one thing and you want to look at this more and you'd like to lay over some census data when you get into this. i want to go to the boom towns. the boom towns were another name for the excerpts. is that the fairest way to describe it? >> i thin
. >>> top governors sit down with president obama at the white house to discuss the fiscal cliff. did they find any common ground? bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help those affected and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beaches and gulf are open, and many areas are reporting their best tourism seasons in years. and bp's also committed to america. we support nearly 250,000 jobs and invest more here than anywhere else. we're working to fuel america for generations to come. our commitment has never been stronger. trust duracell to power their donated toys? duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. >>> a bipartisan group of governors, three democrats, three republicans, are urging both sides to reach a deal to keep from going over the so-called fiscal cliff. they met privately with president obama over at the white house today. among the governors, the utah republican governor, gary herbert. he's joining us now from capitol hill. governor herbert, thanks very much for coming in. take
at the pentagon is former republican senator chuck hagel who met with president obama at the white house this week. as for hillary clinton's position at the state department, the national journal reports that president obama is, quote, genuinely conflicted over whether to pick kerry or united nations ambassador susan rice. president obama said yesterday that republican attacks against susan rice will not influence his decision. jo ari, what do you make of the chuck hagel situation with his name floating into the mix now? >> i thinkç it's a good faith efforts to take in a wide range of views. we know that president obama in his first term, obviously, went with secretary gates despite his ties to republican foreign policy. hagel is more of a progressive voice, but i'm not sure that a second-term obama presidency reaches back to another republican defense figure. >> and as to the john kerry/susan rice dilemma that the president faces, he says that the attacks on susan rice won't affect his decision one way or another. it won't force his hand to nominate her, and it won't affect his decision to go w
on this issue of taxes. the white house saying president obama is saying rates should go up on those making $250,000 or more. these are two starting proposals. the white house has put their proposal out last week. it really drew a hard line, calls for $1.6 trillion in new tax revenue, most of that coming from increasing taxes on wealthier americans, but this republican plan very different, does not call for increasing taxes on wealthier americans. president also wants to end congressional oversight of the debt limit. there's no such offer in the republican plan. in fact, some aides have told me that that is a pipe dream. so these two sides still very far apart. now, tonight, martin, the white house will be inviting members of congress here for the holiday party. house speaker john boehner will be here as well. there have been a lot of questions about whether these two will run into each other, whether they will talk about the fiscal cliff. no one is signaling what they might discuss, but house speaker john boehner when asked about tonight's event said that he thinks he might run into the preside
's fix dinner. >>> president obama has opened the white house doors to a bipartisan group of governors and one of the notable names not on the guest list, is texas governor rick perry. the former presidential candidate still has plenty of ideas about federal power as well as some of his colleagues. >> bobby jindal, mary fallen and susana martinez are my neighbors and governor in arkansas, they're all competitors. they are all competitors and they will make you stronger. that's, i think, the difference in -- between the two competing philosophies out there. listen, you know, we want to be left alone and do our own thing and you all don't come into our states and try to take our companies. >> we'll look at some of the governors attending today's meeting and discuss why it's harder to be a republican in a state house than under the capitol dome. that's next. you ever notice that some people just have a knack for giving the perfect gift? they put real thought into it. and find just... the right...thing. how do they do that? more saving. more doing. that's the power of the home depot. pick
for the republicans. in the "wall street journal" they write obama's flexible on highest tax rates. white house's flexibility, described by bowls, confirmed by the administration officials, could envision tax rates -- tax rate increase from the current level but was less than clinton era levels. if the republicans can say, we cut taxes from where they were under clinton it gives them cover though rates may go up. a weird, if there is an act of kabuki theater that would be it, right. >> i see a parallel between the two news story the palestinian vote and the congressional stuff because boehner's -- >> be careful here, my friend, please. >> let me do my caveats first. i still have a job when i walk out of the studio. i sort of see a boehner in the role of a boss here. you know he has got, you know, he's got still a very hard core group of people on right who are not still -- still not terribly afraid and are not taking lessons out of election so he really does have a fundamental concern about how he's going to put together a coalition to do this. and i really do think, for all joking aside, this
. >>> and bo obama takes us on a tour of the white house. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> it's official. powerball officials say two people had the right number to win the $580 million jackpot. two people. yeah. so congratulations to the lucky winners. mitt and ann romney. >> oh, 580 million, just throw it on the pile. >> yeah. [ male announcer ] introducing the new dell xps 12. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ it's changing the conversation. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in?e maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. maybe you want to incorporate a business. or protect your family with a will or living trust. and you'd like the help of an attorney. at legalzoom a legal plan attorney is available in most states with every personalized document to answer q
revenge would be? if obama could in the white house receive the petition and say, okay, go ahead. you're on your own. because the states, the various that have filed for these petitions, red states, tend to take in a lot more in government benefits than they pay in taxes. it would be very good -- >> you didn't name names in your one-eighth theory. but here are some names. ron paul, very recent congressman, national candidate for the presidency many times. he said secession is a deeply american, a deeply american principle. meanwhile, alan keys, he wrote that while he doesn't think we've reached the point where secession is necessary necessarily, it remains a, quote, god endowed inail yepable right. there you have people with educations, people with brains and a knowledge of american history, who come out and argue that this is something that should be put on the table. >> yeah. i guess brains and an education but still somehow profoundly ignorant and they're emblematic of if not the ignorant people in the republican people, at least people who will pander to that ignorance. it's a pie
echoing mitt romney that he's in la jolla and barack obama is in the white house because obama depended on people who were dependent on government. it is just the handout, the takers are the ones who elected barack obama. >> right. the gifts argument. i think there has been a split on the language of this, whether or not the actual ideals of it. the language, split since romney lost and made his little gifts comment after the election. >> bill: that obama won by handing out gifts to the constituencies. >> minorities, women. just gave them -- best example is gave women contraception for their votes. that's potentially -- basically what they said. sununu yesterday or i guess it was tuesday night said that he said the same thing. he was like if you look at this, it wasn't about message. we didn't lose because of message. we lost because -- >> bill: didn't lose because they had a lousy candidate. >> we lost because of the hold-in to obama and what they can give him. >> bill: they're just in denial, right? >> wh
into the white house, not the way he wanted it. president obama is keeping a promise he made on election night by having a private lunch with romney on thursday. a few weeks ago, president obama said romney could actually bring something to the table. >> i do think he did a terrific job running the olympics. that skill set applies to the federal government. >> turns out, romney doesn't have an eye on helping the country. he is helping to move on into an office at his son, tag's private equity firm. it is unclear what role he will be playing. he spenlt the last seven years running to serve his country and now he is going back to the private sector. he is not out serving the public or helping the country move forward. this just underscores everything we thought about mitt romney. all he cares about is money. good for him. >>> romney campaign strategist, stuart stevens is complaining about the loss. he wrote that mitt romney carried the majority of every economic group except those with less than $50,000 a year in household income. that means he carried the majority of middle class voters. stuart
for first lady michelle obama but there's talk about her plans for the future. could they involve the white house in 2016. plus still so many unanswered questions about what happened and why an nfl player killed his girlfriend before taking his own life. the team and the football league what they can learn from this tragedy. >>> breaking news coming to us out of atlanta, georgia. an elementary school has been evacuated after an incident of carbon monoxide poisoning. students and adults were taken to a hospital after being overcome by fumes. >>> a bittersweet victory for the secretary of state chiefs after the murder/suicide. the head coach who watched aso van belcher took his life on saturday spoke about the tragedy after the game. >> it's tough when circumstance happen you can't undo them. so you have to rely on each other, rely on your family, friend and rely on your faith and that's what the team tried to do. we were able to do that. >> joining me is rob from nbc sports. as we hear more about this story. so tragic. 25 years old. this young man. his girlfriend 22 years old. the parents wa
americans. i don't really see them doing that. >> nbc news white house correspondent, mike viquiera joining me now. treasury secretary timothy geithner, president obama's point man in these fiscal cliff negotiations, ran the gauntlet this morning. he appeared on all five sunday talk shows, including "meet the press" of course, what else did he say? >> craig, you know if we're in the posturing stage and a lot of people think we're still in the posturing stage with, 29 or 30 days to go. we better hope that they're just posturing, because after the period of optimism, the post-election talk of compromise, you remember john boehner came out the day after the election, the president spoke about compromise as well. they're as far apart as they ever have been and the clock is ticking. what timothy geithner said is as follows, nothing is going to get done unless republicans agree to raise rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans we know the figure by now. those couples filing jointly making more than $250,000. the rates must rise, not a matter of closing loopholes or deductions or simplifying the ta
absolutely no progress in trying to force president obama to do what they want him to do. and no, sending mitt romney to lunch at the white house today didn't help. >>> congress has just ten legislative days before going off a cliff. >> the political theater over the fiscal cliff. >> mr. obama sends his chief negotiator. >> treasury secretary tim geithner. >> who was on capitol hill right now. >> reaching out to capitol hill. >> the push is on to get a deal. >> no substantive progress has been made in the talks. >> literally no progress. >> bad news, bad news, bad news. >> this is the moment of posturing. >> a lot of posturing. >> until we hear good news. >> the framework of the deal is beginning to emerge. >> i'll do whatever it takes to get this done. >> we have a debt crisis. >> i'll do anywhere and do whatever it takes. >> all eyes on the white house. >> they're going to get right up to cliff on new year's eve. we're all going to be hugging cliff. >> it's like when a fish show starts. the crowd -- >> i hope nobody catches that reference. >> all eyes on the white house. >> together aga
with the president. the white house just confirmed president obama will be answering questions on twitter regarding the fiscal cliff orifior fiscal stalemate. we'll get a live report how it works. can he get the ball rolling? congressman karen bass and conk man chris van hollen will join me to talk about where things stand. bob costas bold statement on gun control in the wake of the suicide involving javon belcher. we'll have reaction to it the. john mccain's interesting comment to john kerry at an event that took place a few hours ago. we'll play the exchange, reading any tea leaves. [ designer ] enough of just covering up my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i decided enough is enough. ♪ [ spa lady ] i started enbrel. it's clinically proven to provide clearer skin. [ rv guy ] enbrel may not work for everyone -- and may not clear you completely, but for many, it gets skin clearer fast, within 2 months, and keeps it clearer up to 9 months. [ male announcer ] because enbrel®, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal, eve
untrumpeted by the white house. up until now the obama administration's record on whistle blowers has been problematic. as they highlighted in an august document defending the administration's record on leaks, they have prosecuted twice as many cases under be the espionage act as all other administrations combined. the obama administration's history of aggressively prosecuting leakers has dissturkd lawmakers and activists from the left and right because of the essential role of whistle blowers in rooting out malfeasance. barack obama has managed to both prosecute a record number of leakers and sign genuine concrete legislation to protect whistle blowers. now who deserves whistle-blower protections is up for debate and the meaning for that as well. no case illustrates that more acutely than bradley manning. the army private who is accused of leaking classified documents to wikileaks. he testified about his detention over the past two years. joining me is daniel brian, a.l. press. author of "beautiful souls, saying no." ." ed pilkington. he's been covering the trial and zachary iskole. he's
that president obama doesn't do regularly. and that is take a lot of questions from the white house press corp. that is where you get stronger and better answers, sometimes deeper answers to questions that america deserves to know. not -- the problem for president obama is that who he talked to yesterday is a narrow slice of the audience. more people know about that now than would have ever seen it on that other network. he needs broaden out and talk to and try to persuade people that are not just on the left. >> brian: you remember you invited charles charles and other conservatives before he actually took office? >> remember, they were charmed and they said, huh, maybe this is going to go better than we thought. and then they were bitterly disappointed. >> steve: let's talk a little bit about this. the congressman from in texas, steve forbes out yesterday talking about look, we've got to do something about taxes. the president is even talking a little bit about it. we need a flat tax rather than raising taxes. here is a little snippet of congressman gilbert. listen. >> when you hear fair sha
the white house learned during the first term is that there are some things that work for obama and some things that don't. sitting down at a table with john boehner as essentially equals did not turn out as well as they might have hoped with the debt ceiling talks in 2011. but what did work was that winter when the president went to the country and argued for extending the payroll tax holiday and developed pressure outside of washington, he was a lot more successful. so they have two goals here. one is to keep the pressure coming from outside the beltway and the second is to make sure that this is not a negotiation between the president and boehner, that they want the president essentially floating above this. >> robert, when we talk and i know you had a chance to hear what congresswoman black will to say about trying to find the right balance here, while a majority of americans, say they go completely support raising taxes on wealthier americans, there is also a majority support that says we don't want to see earned benefits messed with, we don't want to see the medicare eligibility ag
. president obama and this cabinet stood by her. >> mrs. rice is extraordinary. i couldn't be prouder of the job that she has done. [ applause ] >> and joining me now from the white house, nbc news correspondent viqueira. vic, will the gop continue its pile-on of the ambassador? will it have the opposite effect of hardening the president and daring him essentially to select her for secretary of state perhaps? >> well, you know, it's hard to say exactly what is going through the president's mind at this point. a lot of people think that he is really under the gun to make an appointment, but hillary clinton is still the secretary of state. he may have some time yet. perhaps even as much as a month or up to the inauguration on january 20th. so there is that. second of all, susan rice made that pilgrimage, if you will, up to the senate after all the criticism that she got from john mccain and lindsey graham and other key republican senators after her appearance on the sunday shows talking about the incident in benghazi. they were so angry because they say she disseminated false informatio
that are given to people. and that's my comment. thank you. host: from the washington times this morning, obama, romney to meet for lunch at white house. the white house revealed that the men will have lunch in the private dining room of the white house. it will be their first extensive meeting ever other than their three debates during the fall campaign. they have had only a few brief encounters. while in washington, mr. romney also reportedly will visit with his former running mate paul ryan of wisconsin who is heavily golved in the g.o.p.'s negotiations with the obama administration to solve the government's fiscal cliff. since the election, mr. rom knit has secluded himself from the media at his southern california home making no public appearances but has bad photographed killing his car at a local gas station and taking a day trip with his grandchildren to nearby disneyland. linden in bristol, virginia on our democrats line. the g.o.p. says to address the spending problem, what do you think? caller: i kind of agree more with the president that it should be a balanced approach. yes, we pro
there. >>> the white house releasing this photo of mitt romney and president obama shaking hands during yesterday's private lunch meeting. >> so there was a photo after all. >> released and taken by the white house. the former rivals promised to stay in touch after spending an hour discussing ideas for keeping america competitive. they dined on turkey chili and chicken salad. a source tells cnn there was no talk of a possible role for romney in the obama administration. >>> the supreme court may decide as early as today if it will tackle same-sex marriage. the justices will consider requests to review cases that challenge doma, the defense of marriage act, as a violation of the constitution's equal protection marriage. also on the table potentially, they're considering a challenge to prop 8, that is california's ban on same-sex marriage which voters narrowly approved back in 2008. >> this is a huge move by the court today to find out what they're going to do. >>> an update on the health of former president george h.w. bush. he's in stable condition at a houston hospital. he was admitted
think absolutely has to be part of the deal from the white house perspective aside from it fitting the democrat ex-ideology, it's also what president obama believes is a stimulus to the economy. >> yeah. >> that helps people have disposable income to go to restaurants, buy gas, buy food, to pay things for their children. and i would be very surprised if it ended up as part of the larger deal because it's not going to come in early spring. >> one of the things that's disappointing about this the food stamp issue which i agree with you on is being thrown into the basket in terms of talking about the agricultural reform. we do need ag reform in the country. the industry's changed quite a lot. there are a lot of commodities prices are up, a lot of wealthy farmers out there right now but only in certain areas. in some cases those are not the areas that are getting the subsidies that they need. it needs to be rethought from the ground up. food stamps are a separate issue. >> the farm law reverts back to 1949 law. >> anti-quoted. >> that's a long time ago, jay. >> and the rest of the coun
poe lententially sitting down a talking. president obama said it's not the time to sit down. that essentially these gothss are getting hammered out behind the scenes. you had the white house congressional holiday party last night, and according to multiple sources who were there, house speaker john boehner and the president didn't even speak. the house speaker didn't get in line to shake hands with the president, to greet him. i have spoken to sources within his office who say there were a lot of people there and he sees the president all the time, but it's a sign that these negotiations at least at their top levels have come to a bit of a stand still and that is something that is causing a lot of people concern tonight. >> it's a shame he isn't offer that courtesy to the president. the president has sate the current proposal is unbalanced, but with speaker boehner now being attacked by people within his own caucus, as you know, does this not suggest he probably won't be able to do any better, and i guess that must mean we're going to get to the end of the year and go over t
of us. >>> obama couldn't have met the guy in a restaurant? had to make him come to the white house? that's some cold brew. hey, romney, what's up, man? isn't it funny, you almost lived here. just 3 million votes. you know what i mean? oh, you worked so hard for seven years. about to knock and go in and they slam it. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's invest in our teachers so they can inspire our students. let's solve this. part of a whole new line of tablets from dell. it's changing the conversation. ♪ it's changing the conversation. music is a universal language. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never mis
with "the daily rundown." >>> together again. mitt romney makes his way to the white house. it's not exactly the way he wanted to get there. but can something constructive come out of a private lunch between president obama and the man he defeated just three weeks ago? that's right. that was just three weeks ago. >>> also this morning, a deep dive into america's longest war. look into lessons learned and the sacrifices made by troops at one combat outpost. tell us about what's been accomplished and what's not in more than a decade of fighting. as the country wakes up obsessed with numbers and winners, for the lottery, that, we've got a very important update on the election night numbers that gave us a winner. they've been changing steadily as the states keep on counting. and some important ways the selection perhaps is now going to get characterized. good morning from washington. it's thursday, november 29, 2012. in case you've been in a bunker all night, the winning powerball numbers are 5, 16, 22, 23, 29. the powerball number itself is 6. the reason i'm here and the reason my entire staff
. even some of the top minds in conservative circles are waving the white flag of surrender on tax cuts for the top 2%. >> so are you saying then for pr purposes, that they should give into obama on the tax rate? >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am. >> i'm sorry, that was not one of the top conservative minds. that was ann coulter, but you have to and it to her. she's onto something there. a new quinnipiac poll shows 65% of americans support higher taxes on incomes over $250,000. the same survey showing the president's approval rating at a three-year high, 53%. the highest level since the body of osama bin laden was dumped in the north arabian sea. perhaps that's why senate majority leader harry reid felt confident enough to declare that until republicans move on tax rates, more spending cuts are off the table. >> the president made clear, i have tried to make very clear, until there's some movement in tax rates, we're -- i'm not talking about any other proposals, not about where there will be a cut here or a cut there. >> no. as a matter of fact, the only cuts the senate is talkin
with ari slightly here. there was a vote in the senate on president obama's plan to close gitmo in 2009, and it failed 90 to 6. 90 to 6 very resoundingly. the republicans all opposed it, but 48 of the 54 democrats opposed it too. so the white house giving up at that point was not surprising to me. it's not clear it's the political will on capitol hill to close gitmo, the problem being once you close gitmo, the detainees have to go to prisons in the united states. every senator is basically like, not my district, not my state. i'm not sure until there's a real issue from the senate and the house that you can really move this. the president tried pretty hard, i thought, and is really, like, a loss 90-6 is hard to cover from. >> i agree with perry. it's definitely true you had the democrats in there making the same point, basically they didn't want to see detainees come to the u.s. in that respect, the president was very much boxed in. the problem, though, goes beyond the debate as it stood. i think what the president has to do is outline a post-9/11 detention policy that deals with what m
some changes over in the national security apparatus at the white house. so, maybe the white house is also thinking that if they have a bunch of potential conif confirmations in the pipeline, the republicans can only complain so much. every indication we've had so far is that obama is willing to have that fight for susan rice. the reason is, she goes back to almost day one with the obama presidential campaign and came out of the clinton administration and was one of the first big catches who was not for hillary clinton back in the primary, barack obama remembers. >> molly ball, before i let you guys get out of here. if this thing does play out like some does suspect and john kerry ends up getting nominated to run the pentagon, that makes for a very interesting senate race in the state of massachusetts, once again. >> maybe, maybe not. what people keep forgetting in all of this is that the massachusetts legislature is run by democrats who could always just change the law back so that there's not a special election and it becomes an appointment, again. yes, some dominos falling in ma
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